tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post8457588227216075028..comments2024-01-24T04:59:45.518-05:00Comments on Jewish Atheist: It's Really HappeningJewish Atheisthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818noreply@blogger.comBlogger73125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-9137851644350216912008-07-07T12:25:00.000-04:002008-07-07T12:25:00.000-04:00Don't count your chickens before they come home to...Don't count your chickens before they come home to roost. :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-10613973544974078702008-06-14T17:05:00.000-04:002008-06-14T17:05:00.000-04:00I think Obama will win it. However, I also suspect...I think Obama will win it. However, I also suspect Obama will prove an empty suit. His diplomacy will achieve nothing, his domestic policies (particularly regarding the toxic combination of immigration and affirmative action) will continue to erode America, he won't be able to deal with increasing gas prices or China any more effectively than Bush, and his education policy will consist of more of the same tired formulas that satisfy teachers unions while failing students. He has no desire to bring needed reform to entitlements, but instead will increase the size and scope of those programs to the detriment of younger people like me.<BR/><BR/>The only advantage Obama holds in my mind is that he would get us out of Iraq. But recently his campaign has been stating that he may not be able to get us out until 2013 -- after his first term in office. Even McCain has recently hinted at an exit by around that time.<BR/><BR/>The only question I have is whether Obama will be widely recognized as a disaster for this country before or after he leaves office.<BR/><BR/>Asher summed up the best reason to vote for him: so that the American electorate won't be perceived as racist. Or, more accurately, so that well-educated white liberals can brag to fellow whites how <A HREF="http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/05/28/101-being-offended/" REL="nofollow">"super not racist"</A> they are.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-20569522387910568782008-06-10T04:18:00.000-04:002008-06-10T04:18:00.000-04:00Since toppling Hussein, the US military hs been se...Since toppling Hussein, the US military hs been served as the government, police and national defense force for Iraq.<BR/><BR/>The Iraqis can't mount a coherent force to govern their country or defend it from external threats. No significant progress has been made to resolve the Sunni-Shia conflict. We can occupy Iraq idefinitely, but only the Iraqis can stop fighting each other and govern themselves. <BR/><BR/>They have shown precious little inclination to do so so far, especially when we continue to ty to do it for them.Peter L. Winklerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16005846686173676213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-59595414007515545352008-06-08T22:11:00.000-04:002008-06-08T22:11:00.000-04:00"230 days until our national embarrassment is gone..."230 days until our national embarrassment is gone"<BR/><BR/>Who are you talking about, Reid, Kennedy, Durbin? They're going to be around for longer than that. <BR/> <BR/>"and we have a president we can be proud of again"<BR/><BR/> We have a president we can be proud of. <BR/><BR/>I would just hate to have you say later on, "Obama -- well it seemed like a good idea at the time.<BR/><BR/>Ichabod ChrainAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-1176426368229581222008-06-08T16:15:00.000-04:002008-06-08T16:15:00.000-04:00JA said: NK gave them up due to negotiations and d...JA said: NK gave them up due to negotiations and diplomatic pressure.<BR/><BR/>..and of course NK knows that the US will never attack them because they already *have* nukes and can deliver them (at least to SK and Japan).<BR/><BR/>It seems that there are basically two ways *not* to be attacked by the US. Either be an Ally (willing or otherwise) or be a nuclear power. Knowing that, would non-allied states be attempting to gain nuclear capability or shying away from it....?<BR/><BR/>Oh, it also helps to have a top-notch air-defence system as the American favourite method of intimidation is bombing with the odd cruise missile thrown in for a bit of variety (probably as they come up to their use-by date).<BR/><BR/>On a more serious note: I wonder if sales of anti-aircraft weapons are up in the 3rd world.....?CyberKittenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06394155516712665665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-4313780697241791432008-06-08T16:08:00.000-04:002008-06-08T16:08:00.000-04:00JA,"You mean the Hans Blix who publicly contradict...JA,<BR/><BR/>"You mean the Hans Blix who publicly contradicted the Bush administration on the WMDs and said they were playing up the threat to help their case for war?"<BR/><BR/>Is there another Hans Blix you are aware of? Clearly the administrations thought Blix was a pushover.<BR/><BR/>"NK gave them up due to negotiations and diplomatic pressure."<BR/><BR/>Yes, in part. But also in part to the threat of military action.<BR/><BR/>""Cat and mouse" games aside, Saddam was already in the same position."<BR/><BR/>Not likely, as evidenced by the fact that he wasn't cooperating. He was stuck posturing because he strategically needed to be seen as the strong man of the Middle East and he never believed the US would invade.Orthopraxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11649055168953784384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-67646039973196181402008-06-08T15:21:00.000-04:002008-06-08T15:21:00.000-04:00He then proceeded to play cat and mouse games with...<I>He then proceeded to play cat and mouse games with the likes of Hans Blix</I><BR/><BR/>You mean the Hans Blix who publicly contradicted the Bush administration on the WMDs and said they were playing up the threat to help their case for war?<BR/><BR/><I>Additionally, it should be noted that both Lybia and North Korea gave up their advancing (nuclear) weapons programs (Gaddafi explicitly) due to the Iraq war proving that the US isn't bluffing when it says it may invade.</I><BR/><BR/>NK gave them up due to negotiations and diplomatic pressure. "Cat and mouse" games aside, Saddam was already in the same position.Jewish Atheisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-25181702105238973492008-06-08T15:04:00.000-04:002008-06-08T15:04:00.000-04:00JA,"But the same could be said of any number of co...JA,<BR/><BR/>"But the same could be said of any number of countries, including Lybia, North Korea, etc. Why did we invade only Iraq?"<BR/><BR/>The western world and the UN had standing orders with Iraq - that Saddam was not permitted to possess or try to posses WMDs and that it was his job to prove that he didn't have any. He then proceeded to play cat and mouse games with the likes of Hans Blix. Unlike other states, Saddam had shown a propensity to use his weapons and attack his neighbors.<BR/><BR/>You must understand this all in context where Iraq had been a continuing issue in international politics for decades.<BR/><BR/>Additionally, it should be noted that both Lybia and North Korea gave up their advancing (nuclear) weapons programs (Gaddafi explicitly) due to the Iraq war proving that the US isn't bluffing when it says it may invade.Orthopraxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11649055168953784384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-37241125474772419012008-06-08T12:49:00.000-04:002008-06-08T12:49:00.000-04:00Ortho:But the same could be said of any number of ...Ortho:<BR/><BR/>But the same could be said of any number of countries, including Lybia, North Korea, etc. Why did we invade only Iraq?Jewish Atheisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-7924215356263991522008-06-06T17:16:00.000-04:002008-06-06T17:16:00.000-04:00JA,"And we thought he had them in '92 and we didn'...JA,<BR/><BR/>"And we thought he had them in '92 and we didn't invade then even with an existing war and troops on the ground. The whole WMD argument is pure BS."<BR/><BR/>I believe the point was that with our new terrorism consciousness, it was believed that Saddam would be very willing to partner up with some terrorist group and give them WMDs.<BR/><BR/>That was his 'delivery system.'Orthopraxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11649055168953784384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-16036115739603150662008-06-06T12:55:00.000-04:002008-06-06T12:55:00.000-04:00If they were what?If they were what?Jewish Atheisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-1431382361565852762008-06-06T12:50:00.000-04:002008-06-06T12:50:00.000-04:00And if they were?And if they were?Holy Hyraxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17704030181702087485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-51437142745113903972008-06-06T12:31:00.000-04:002008-06-06T12:31:00.000-04:00Then why would Israelis fear the falling scud miss...<I>Then why would Israelis fear the falling scud missles from ol' tinpot saddam?</I><BR/><BR/>They were worried about chemical weapons.Jewish Atheisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-65191433028325755432008-06-06T12:21:00.000-04:002008-06-06T12:21:00.000-04:00>I don't think ANYBODY has a warhead with biologic...>I don't think ANYBODY has a warhead with biological weapons, let alone tinpot dictator Saddam Hussein.<BR/><BR/>Then why would Israelis fear the falling scud missles from ol' tinpot saddam?Holy Hyraxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17704030181702087485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-11932212677594670912008-06-06T12:15:00.000-04:002008-06-06T12:15:00.000-04:00>Actually we were lied to & manipulated both by po...>Actually we were lied to & manipulated both by politicians and the media. Our government *knew* that their intel was unreliable but went to war anyway. We never knew for certain that Saddam had WMD, we never even strongly suspected he had them. WMD were an *excuse* for attacking Iraq, nothing more.<BR/><BR/>How does this answer the question of the rest of the countries being stupid? Did they just get a phone call saying they need their help and merely said yes on the spot? WHy did the other countries agree to enter the war?Holy Hyraxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17704030181702087485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-30740421117397063032008-06-06T12:03:00.000-04:002008-06-06T12:03:00.000-04:00And we thought he had them in '92 and we didn't in...And we thought he had them in '92 and we didn't invade then even with an existing war and troops on the ground. The whole WMD argument is pure BS.Jewish Atheisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-5077780169321772602008-06-06T12:02:00.000-04:002008-06-06T12:02:00.000-04:00HH:How come? I mean, is a warhead with biological ...HH:<BR/><BR/><I>How come? I mean, is a warhead with biological weapons better?</I><BR/><BR/>I don't think ANYBODY has a warhead with biological weapons, let alone tinpot dictator Saddam Hussein.<BR/><BR/><I>No, I meant other countries being in missle fire range.</I><BR/><BR/>So any country anywhere within firing range of Israel must be invaded and occupied?<BR/><BR/><BR/>ortho:<BR/><BR/><I>Do you think McCain supported war for other reasons than what the intelligence suggested? Or do you think he should have somehow known that the intelligence had failed?</I><BR/><BR/>I don't know if he supported it because he believed in the neocons' new-domino theory or because he believed they had WMDs. In my opinion, both are bad reasons. Saddam had chemical weapons all through the 80s and we weren't exactly invading him then.Jewish Atheisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-1633790779873700622008-06-06T05:37:00.000-04:002008-06-06T05:37:00.000-04:00Holy H said: I guess then every other country like...Holy H said: I guess then every other country like England and Australia were all stupid as well, because we all know you sat down with them looking at every piece of information they received.<BR/><BR/>Actually we were lied to & manipulated both by politicians and the media. Our government *knew* that their intel was unreliable but went to war anyway. We never knew for certain that Saddam had WMD, we never even strongly suspected he had them. WMD were an *excuse* for attacking Iraq, nothing more.CyberKittenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06394155516712665665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-16703959736218404292008-06-05T23:13:00.000-04:002008-06-05T23:13:00.000-04:00>Our very presence in the Middle East ENRAGES Musl...>Our very presence in the Middle East ENRAGES Muslims.<BR/><BR/>Oh please. Drawing a cartoon enrages the muslims.Holy Hyraxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17704030181702087485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-37984222751573003902008-06-05T22:39:00.000-04:002008-06-05T22:39:00.000-04:00When something is a bad bet, you don't throw good ...When something is a bad bet, you don't throw good money after bad.<BR/><BR/>The Sunnis and the Shia have a hatred for one another that goes back a LONG way.<BR/><BR/>Going into Iraq was a bad bet six years ago. Assuming we can fix the problems between the Sunnis and the Shias, and create a stable democracy, is a bad bet now.<BR/><BR/>Even if we had invaded without all the incompetence, who's to say what would have been the outcome.<BR/><BR/>Our very presence in the Middle East ENRAGES Muslims. The only thing the Sunnis and the Shia can agree on is that they want us out. Islam has yet to have its reformation. Hopefully, the world will survive the process. But our military presence inflames their fundamentalist religiosity.<BR/><BR/>You want to recruit terrorists? Stay in Iraq.Tigerboyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06794153016636051988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-58894339781885014682008-06-05T20:15:00.000-04:002008-06-05T20:15:00.000-04:00Fed,Please, take a breather. I don't understand wh...Fed,<BR/><BR/>Please, take a breather. I don't understand why we can't discuss this civily.Orthopraxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11649055168953784384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-70298023868676948312008-06-05T20:07:00.000-04:002008-06-05T20:07:00.000-04:00Nice, we finally get to the crux of the matter and...<I>Nice, we finally get to the crux of the matter and you think we need to save the whole wide world from evil. Typical delusional American sentiment. <BR/><BR/>Please don't make me compile a list of bad guys in the world that we have to rid the world of. I can't waste my time on such idiocy. </I><BR/><BR/>ARRRGGGGGHHH<BR/><BR/>Dude, can't you read what he is saying??? This is such stupid extreme liberal rhetoric. Come on.<BR/><BR/>He is not saying you have to save the world from all evil or invade every country. He is saying:<BR/><BR/>We invaded Iraq<BR/><BR/>It was a mistake<BR/><BR/>Leaving now is going to make matters much worse<BR/><BR/>Since we invaded, we should be the ones to fix it and hopefully make things better than they were before.Holy Hyraxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17704030181702087485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-45780731182437448602008-06-05T20:02:00.000-04:002008-06-05T20:02:00.000-04:00OP,Why do you think serves the lives of all those ...OP,<BR/><BR/><I>Why do you think serves the lives of all those innocent Iraqi civilians to run away and let the warlords take over? And let the terrorists set up camp? And let Iran set up shop in Iraq?</I><BR/><BR/>Nice, we finally get to the crux of the matter and you think we need to save the whole wide world from evil. Typical delusional American sentiment. <BR/><BR/>Please don't make me compile a list of bad guys in the world that we have to rid the world of. I can't waste my time on such idiocy. <BR/><BR/>We should be at war with a large percentage of the world right now, including China for their invasion of Tibet, half of Africa, the Palestinian Authority, and a host of other countries that host terrorists and warlords. We'd have to invade ourselves!<BR/><BR/>I hate that there are innocents dying in the world. But I'm not God , and neither is the US Military for Christ's sake!Freethinking Upstarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08303095726807967022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-18037105767841574592008-06-05T19:59:00.000-04:002008-06-05T19:59:00.000-04:00Is this what you are talking about?:Sure, we can't...Is this what you are talking about?:<BR/><BR/><I>Sure, we can't just disappear in a flash now that we're neck deep in horse shit but you can't go to war for no reason and you can't keep a forced active military force in a country for no reason.</I><BR/><BR/>So which is it then? Do you leave it ASAP no matter what, or do you clean up your shit and make something better there?<BR/><BR/>>I'd rather not... I keep seeing dead soldiers.<BR/><BR/>Right. Emotions over rides thinking.<BR/><BR/>>Damn son, I could justify Hitler, Stalin, Mao, the Japanese, Vietnam and every other insane war with that logic. Good one!<BR/><BR/>HUH? What does that mean?Holy Hyraxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17704030181702087485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-36934102118590678842008-06-05T19:55:00.000-04:002008-06-05T19:55:00.000-04:00HH,I assume you are referring to how we should pul...HH,<BR/><BR/>I assume you are referring to how we should pull out of Iraq... See my comment at 4:58 and 7:48.<BR/><BR/><I>Well give it some thoughts then</I><BR/><BR/>I'd rather not... I keep seeing dead soldiers.<BR/><BR/><I>Maybe, just maybe they DID believe the evidence was sound and they needed to assist the US. </I><BR/><BR/>Damn son, I could justify Hitler, Stalin, Mao, the Japanese, Vietnam and every other insane war with that logic. Good one!Freethinking Upstarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08303095726807967022noreply@blogger.com