tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post116284193346898130..comments2024-01-24T04:59:45.518-05:00Comments on Jewish Atheist: The Ted Haggard PostJewish Atheisthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-1163092005160517272006-11-09T12:06:00.000-05:002006-11-09T12:06:00.000-05:00JA,I wasn't looking for that discussion. It just s...JA,<BR/>I wasn't looking for that discussion. It just struck me that "sin" was an odd word for an atheist to us, given my understanding of what it meant.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10837999838469082203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-1163039100946491542006-11-08T21:25:00.000-05:002006-11-08T21:25:00.000-05:00"Sin" is an immoral action. I don't want to get i..."Sin" is an immoral action. I don't want to get into the whole "how can atheists have morals" discussion here, though.Jewish Atheisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-1163027095639511692006-11-08T18:04:00.000-05:002006-11-08T18:04:00.000-05:00JA,I'm curious what you mean by the word "sin" as ...JA,<BR/>I'm curious what you mean by the word "sin" as an atheist. As a theist I take it to mean, "those acts or impulses which move me away from God". How does an atheist parse that?Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10837999838469082203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-1163018728090105252006-11-08T15:45:00.000-05:002006-11-08T15:45:00.000-05:00"Not keeping Shabbas is a sin. Not keeping the oth..."Not keeping Shabbas is a sin. Not keeping the other 611 mitzvahs are also sins. "<BR/><BR/>Thats why Judaism sucks as a religion.<BR/><BR/>As Christian, all you have to do is believe in Jesus, and you get into Heaven.<BR/><BR/>In Judaism you have to follow 611 laws, and all you get out of it is g uilt.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-1162969243745227352006-11-08T02:00:00.000-05:002006-11-08T02:00:00.000-05:00JA: I hate to say this, but the schadenfreude I'v...JA: I hate to say this, but the schadenfreude I've felt this week has been so strong it feels absolutely sinful (and pleasurable that way, too). And isn't this poetic justice for Mr. Haggard almost absolute proof (as much as you and I will ever find) that there is a god? Or at least that the universe has a sense of both humor and irony?Foilwomanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01439472253349139358noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-1162910123352925272006-11-07T09:35:00.000-05:002006-11-07T09:35:00.000-05:00We must treat good people the way we would want to...We must treat good people the way we would want to be treated. Criminals, perverts and pederasts are different.jewish philosopherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17987540457195983665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-1162904954283717592006-11-07T08:09:00.000-05:002006-11-07T08:09:00.000-05:00Juggling MotherI certainly didn't mean to say he d...<I>Juggling Mother</I><BR/><BR/>I certainly didn't mean to say he doesn't love his children. I'm not sure about how authentic his marriage is, though. Perhaps he's just a bi-sexual who had an affair with a prostitute, but I suspect he's gay and hid it from his wife. I feel for him in some ways, but the fact that he actively worked to make the country a worse place for other gay people makes him pretty bad in my eyes.Jewish Atheisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-1162897282017129042006-11-07T06:01:00.000-05:002006-11-07T06:01:00.000-05:00David,Thanks for that clip of Dawkins vs. Haggard....David,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for that clip of Dawkins vs. Haggard. Dawkins comes off as an arrogant child who thinks he knows it all and Haggard comes off as a patient parent.asherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09237854868544073084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-1162884777991112872006-11-07T02:32:00.000-05:002006-11-07T02:32:00.000-05:00I have to say this - despite the fact that I think...I have to say this - despite the fact that I think the world would be a much better place without Haggard in it (and not because of his sexual preferences), - but having a homosexual relationship does not necessarily mean his marriage is a sham, or that his children are unloved.Juggling Motherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02711012401065605739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-1162883186715918402006-11-07T02:06:00.000-05:002006-11-07T02:06:00.000-05:00Being a christian means ONLY having to say you are...Being a christian means ONLY having to say you are sorry. It is a religion which at its heart, denies responibility for action.beepbeepitsmehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12931640447011071849noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-1162869133148979152006-11-06T22:12:00.000-05:002006-11-06T22:12:00.000-05:00I'm sure you've probably seen this, but just in ca...I'm sure you've probably seen this, but just in case <A HREF="http://youtube.com/watch?v=gmNjfpoRZpE" REL="nofollow">http://youtube.com/watch?v=gmNjfpoRZpE</A>.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15382405592877758715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-1162868711719924272006-11-06T22:05:00.000-05:002006-11-06T22:05:00.000-05:00with all these religious and conservative gay peop...with all these religious and conservative gay people getting caught being horrible people, it could possibly explain why conservatives and religious people think gays are bad. The ones in their circles do do horrible things.<BR/> <BR/>^I realize that isn't actually a true explaination.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-1162860755486920452006-11-06T19:52:00.000-05:002006-11-06T19:52:00.000-05:00Wow. I was all ready to comment on the hypocrisy ...Wow. I was all ready to comment on the hypocrisy of a gay evangelical when the equally compelling case of <B>Jewish Philosopher</B> arose.<BR/><BR/>From JP's own <A HREF="http://jewishphilosopher.blogspot.com/2006/07/questions-for-atheists.html" REL="nofollow">blog</A>, a laughable refutation of atheism, a particulary poignant question:<BR/><BR/><I>#9 - If no God exists, why are we obligated to be nice to other people?<BR/>Jewish answer: God obligates us to do to others as we want them to do to us.</I><BR/><BR/>So, the obvious extension of this would be that you would offer your head.<BR/><BR/>I pity you.dbackdadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10700991588554336491noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-1162858659798181062006-11-06T19:17:00.000-05:002006-11-06T19:17:00.000-05:00maybe if he would have gotten his priorities strai...maybe if he would have gotten his priorities straitened out, he wouldnt look like a total jerk . <BR/><BR/>however, its a sin to be gay, but righteous to lie and be dishonest?<BR/><BR/>what hypocracy..! get a life moron..!beautiful-strangerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14586159330858128408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-1162849072593990832006-11-06T16:37:00.000-05:002006-11-06T16:37:00.000-05:00HS:That's a fair point. I can't prove that he wou...HS:<BR/><BR/>That's a fair point. I can't prove that he wouldn't have cheated on a male spouse. Still, I suspect his obvious self-hatred is what caused a lot of the self-destructive behavior. I'm assuming he's not a total fraud -- I think he probably legitimately believes in monogamy and would have been successful in creating a stable relationship had he been able to be honest about his sexuality.Jewish Atheisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-1162848688414747282006-11-06T16:31:00.000-05:002006-11-06T16:31:00.000-05:00Even heterosexual people get married to partners t...Even heterosexual people get married to partners they later decide don't provide enough sexual thrills.<BR/><BR/>Isn't it still immoral to cheat, even if the cheating doesn't involve homosexuality?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-1162848428855075562006-11-06T16:27:00.000-05:002006-11-06T16:27:00.000-05:00Gays are sick.I'm pro-God. And I bet a lot of peop...Gays are sick.<BR/><BR/>I'm pro-God. And I bet a lot of people agree with me.<BR/><BR/>In practice, I don't believe in violence however I do believe in supporting restrictions on gay rights.jewish philosopherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17987540457195983665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-1162847867110267792006-11-06T16:17:00.000-05:002006-11-06T16:17:00.000-05:00Jewish Philosopher:JA is not "pushing this gay stu...Jewish Philosopher:<BR/>JA is not "pushing this gay stuff". He is advocating tolerance, compassion, life. These are the best values of organized religion.<BR/><BR/>Whereas you are advocating …?<BR/><BR/>"No one is a Jew who is merely one outwardly, nor is circumcision outward and physical. But a Jew is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter."<BR/><BR/>In other words, give me JA's atheism to your sick religion any day.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-1162843850758185772006-11-06T15:10:00.000-05:002006-11-06T15:10:00.000-05:00OK, so I'm not Hillary Clinton.But how can I help ...OK, so I'm not Hillary Clinton.<BR/><BR/>But how can I help it? You keep pushing this gay stuff.jewish philosopherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17987540457195983665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-1162843075649390462006-11-06T14:57:00.000-05:002006-11-06T14:57:00.000-05:00We get it, JP. You want gays killed. Let's move ...We get it, JP. You want gays killed. Let's move on.Jewish Atheisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13054771.post-1162842748947471102006-11-06T14:52:00.000-05:002006-11-06T14:52:00.000-05:00I would probably chop Haggard's head off too. No m...I would probably chop Haggard's head off too. No more sinning for him.jewish philosopherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17987540457195983665noreply@blogger.com